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Have you ever been in the middle of a conversation and thought “can we just cut to the chase?”  

For some people small talk seems like a complete waste of time, a painful variation of the verbal headlock.  There are other people who seem to naturally flow through these conversations using them to build relationships with a diverse group of people, while simultaneously keeping their finger on the pulse of what’s happening in their communities.

In today’s episode, we dive deep on these surface level conversations in a way that no one has before.  We discuss:

  • The ramifications of refusing to engage in them and their evolutionary importance
  • How our drives play a direct role in our approach and goals for these interactions 
  • Tips to manage and mitigate the cognitive load these conversations cost
  • Practical strategies for navigating and reaping the benefits from small talk

Today’s episode was made as a result of listener questions and situations attendees at our latest workshop wanted help with.  Reach out to us at or visit if there’s something you’d like to hear about on the podcast.

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E130: How Understanding Drives Helps Build Buy-In 

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