On Episode 26 of the Art Of Coaching Podcast I am honored to be joined NFL defensive lineman Henry Anderson.
Henry is a 5 year NFL veteran who has made a name for himself with his work ethic and attention to detail. I asked him to come on the podcast to talk about what separates the great coaches he has had from the rest.
- Why did Henry take time to jump on the podcast
- A journey on Henry’s career
- What is Henry Anderson’s “filter” for what makes a good S&C coach
- Do coaches that hard help kids be better later in life?
- Do athletes have learning preferences?
- Are NFL athletes are resistant to new movements in training?
- What are bad habits of strength coaches that will make Henry tune out?
- What resources do NFL players use to learn more about strength and conditioning
- How data is incorporated into the pro setting
- How does data effect Henry’s mindset
- Henry’s favorite exercise
- Henry’s go to favorite artist for the weight room
- Henry’s game day routine that really gets his mind right
- How does Henry down regulate after games
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Brett Bartholomew 0:06
Welcome to the Art of coaching podcast, a show aimed at getting to the core of what it takes to change attitudes, behaviors and outcomes in the weight room, boardroom classroom and everywhere in between. I’m your host, Brett Bartholomew, I’m a performance coach, keynote speaker, and the author of the book conscious coaching. But most importantly, I’m a lifelong student interested in all aspects of human behavior, and communication. I want to thank you for joining me. And now let’s dive into today’s episode.
I’m joined today by NFL player Henry Anderson. Henry, welcome to the show.
Henry Anderson 0:43
Appreciate you having me on.
Brett Bartholomew 0:44
Yeah, man. Thanks for you know, I was surprised it didn’t really take a whole lot of convincing. But part of that may be you’re one of the most well spoken guys and I’ve worked with and somebody that your values have always been really clear to you. But I’m interested why did you want to hop on this show? Why were you so easy to convince in this regard?
Henry Anderson 1:03
Just because I mea, I like everything you’re doing, trying to educate coaches on on certain things that work and don’t work? I think it’s a valuable field that not a lot of people. I mean, I feel like you’re one of the first people to kind of start educating other coaches in that field. So, and I think it’s really useful. So I definitely wanted to hop on and kind of share some of my experiences from different coaches that I’ve had throughout my career and, you know, try to try to help other people through what I’ve experienced.
Brett Bartholomew 1:38
I appreciate that man. And would you mind just for the audience, would you mind going through a little bit about your career, and talking about, you know, your playing history as well as where you’re at ? Take us through that journey?
Henry Anderson 1:48
Yeah, for sure. So, I grew up in Atlanta, started playing football. I mean, I played a bunch of different sports growing up, but football really became big for me, in about fifth or sixth grade, played all throughout high school and then ended up going, I got a few offers coming out of high school, and then ended up going out to Stanford and California to Coach Harbaugh was there at the time. So I went out to Stanford, played one year with him and then he left to go to the I think it was I think he wants to the 40 Niners right away after, my first year and then so yeah, I was out at Stanford for five years and then got drafted in the NFL, and the third round to Indianapolis, then you have this colts in 2015. And I was an MD for three years. played pretty well when I was healthy. But I was always just battling different injuries here and there and just had some bad luck in on the injury front and got traded to the New York Jets before the start of the 2018 season last year, and was able to luckily stay healthy throughout the whole year and had a pretty good season and resound with them this past offseason. So yeah, that’s pretty much my career path so far. And hopefully, I’ll stay in New York for a while. But that’s to be determined.
Brett Bartholomew 3:27
Yeah, you’re being modest there, man. 2018 was more than a good year free and ironically, like that was, I think it’s important to kind of just give the listeners context. That’s when you and I first met and one of the things I know I was worried about is when my wife and I moved from Phoenix LA, everything I had done predominantly most of my coaching out there. And so when I moved to Atlanta, you and I really didn’t know each other, you know, what’s that process? Like when you’re working with a coach for the first time? I mean, you really didn’t know me for Adam, and this isn’t rehearse. So like, what were some of your initial thoughts or concerns? When, you heard about this Brett Bartholomew guy, like what did you come into in that first, like interaction in terms of like, what was going through your head?
Henry Anderson 4:09
Yeah, I mean, so and I had, it’s not like I just randomly was Googling, like, of strength and conditioning coach. I may be guilty of that. But I did. I mean, the first time I had I heard about you was from Anthony castonzo, who I played with in Indianapolis. He had worked out with you when you were out in LA, I believe, right? Yeah. And then Darren Krein who was the strength coach with the Colts when I was there for I think he was there only one or two of my years there but he had also highly recommended you so I had to I mean. Two guys that I trust and I value their opinions. They both told me that you were a good guy to work with so you definitely kind of went into it with expectations that you were legit. And of course, you’re, the best in the business. But no, it was, I came in, you know, my strength coach in college I liked a lot. And I really felt like I improved a lot, not. I mean, I’ve never been the strongest dude or the fastest dude. But I kind of, tried to be a technician, when I’m when I’m in the weight room and I try to work on things that I tried to work on, like different weaknesses that I have, and like little things that I can improve on whether it’s like the way that I move or different little exercises with balance or explosiveness, things like that. And he helped me out a lot with that. And one of his big things was just like his attention to detail, and that always kind of stuck out to me. My college strength coach, so And ever since then, I’ve always kind of looked for that same sort of attention to detail when I’ve worked with other strength coaches, or just position coaches, D line coaches, defensive coordinator, whatever coach I’m working with, I always would always say out to me is like, how detail oriented are these guys? So that’s always kind of the first thing I look at when I’m working with a new coach. And when I started working with you, and I know we when we first started working together, it was just you and me. So I think for probably a couple of weeks, I think, first started last offseason.
Brett Bartholomew 6:40
Now it’s different for both of us, because I remember I hadn’t really done a whole lot of you know, one on one, and you were saying the same thing. And we’re sitting here meeting each other for the first time. And, you know, just it’s always a fascinating dynamic, because I’m trying to learn about you, and then you’re trying to flesh stuff out which and I appreciate your compliment, by the way, you know, I definitely don’t consider myself the best. I’d like to think I’m competitive, but I’m a product of everybody I’ve learned from but yeah, that’s scary for a lot of coaches, man, to be honest. And it’s something like a big reason why I want to get you on here is because I’m curious, have you ever had coaches that you’ve interacted with in your journey that you felt like tried almost a little too hard to impress you or gain your trust? And if so, like, how was that evident because as a player, I think sometimes many coaches don’t realize how hard it’s probably going to be for you guys to suss out who knows their stuff, who doesn’t like a lot of coaches whine and they say, Oh, these guys will go train with, these idiots and have all these Instagram followers and whatever, whatever. But I don’t think they often take in the players perspective, where it may not be as obvious to you guys straight out, like, what are some ways that you can tell like, alright, this being kind of full of it or this?
Henry Anderson 7:49
Yeah, yeah. I mean, one of the things I think you’re good at, is, in some other coaches struggle with this, I feel like is kind of knowing when, because you always like we’ll always talk like, we’re always just kind of bullshit about personal stuff. What’s going on, like, in our personal lives, or just bullshit about whatever like, when we’re warming up, or, you know, if there’s ever downtime where like, we’re, not really doing anything in the way
Brett Bartholomew 8:22
Don’t tell everybody what we’re talking about
Henry Anderson 8:24
Oh, I won’t, I won’t, that’s off limits, that’s off limits, but, like, you do a good job of like, knowing the right time to do that. And you know, when the right time is to actually work. So it’s not like, what bothers me sometimes is when coaches try to be too, buddy, buddy with guys. Because one, you don’t feel like you don’t really work as hard because these guys are just in there trying to be your friend and if you’re fucking something up, like they’re not going to correct you on it, they’re not going to, like push you to get better at that exercise. Because they’re just trying to be all friendly with you and want to be best friends with you. So sometimes, like you run into trouble with that. But I think you do a good job of, like, we’ll have fun, like, we joke around and stuff, when it’s the right time, but when we’re actually working like, you know, it’s time to put all that aside, you know, focus and you’ve got to get like sometimes, you know, my mind is not in the right spot when I’m in there and you gotta straighten me out and make sure I’m focused on what we’re doing.
Brett Bartholomew 9:33
I was gonna ask you about that from from an accountability standpoint, you know, like, where do you draw the line? Because you know, and you commented on it a while ago, for anybody that doesn’t know probably a few months ago, I put something on Instagram that just made people livid. A friend of mine was at a youth soccer practice and her sister had sent her something or like her sister was at a youth soccer practice and center, a sign that was there that basically He said, hey, you know, it was two parents, it was two parents that was basically saying, and the first line got taken out of context for a lot of people that read it. It said uncoachable kids become unemployable adults, you know, life isn’t always fair, you know, let the coach be tough, let somebody else be tough on your kids, it teaches them a valuable lesson. And so, you know, I posted that, and the context was, you know, and the context had nothing to do with like, whether a kid that’s, you know, a troubled eight year old will get a job when he’s 23. A lot of people saw that, and they freaked out. But what I put in the caption is like, hey, you know, athletes need to be held accountable, they need to be challenged, like everybody’s gonna go through stuff in life, and you can’t always be this helicopter parent that is trying to keep them from trouble. And it sparks. I mean, it was crazy. You saw it, Henry, like, some people that were like, This is awful. I hate you a curse upon your family. But then you jumped in. And, you know, talk to me about that, like, what role did coaches actually holding you accountable? And like you having to battle through tough times, and not always having your handheld? What impact did that have on you?
Henry Anderson 11:10
Yeah, I mean, I forget exactly. Because I know, I commented on that, just because there were a lot of people coming at you saying that how wrong that is. But and I guess it’s I mean, in with, like, with the era of just like political correctness and participation, trophies and stuff like that, I mean, that’s obviously going to cause, some backlash when you try to give people kind of like a harsh, reality on what, actually needs to be done. But like, I think, for me, from my personal experience, and I think I commented this one when I put it on your post, but it’s the coaches that, were the hardest on me, and that pushed me and yelled at me. And that’s not to say like, the coaches, you’re not an example of like a coach that’s like, terribly hard on me, or like yelling at me all the time. Different coaches have different styles, but I know, some of my coaches in college, and high school, one of my coaches, you know, they would be hard on me, and they would they weren’t trying to be my best friend, they would always, you know, be yelling at me, when I do something wrong. They would shoot me out, they kind of call me out in front of the team, different stuff like that. And it would be embarrassing, it would be, you know, it would kind of make me feel bad about myself. But at the same time, it pushed me and motivated me to not let that happen again. And I think that’s, especially in college, that’s where I think I grew the most in that regard. And I think it kind of made me a little bit mentally tougher. It made me better as an athlete, as an as a football player. But when you have coaches who try to, and again, coaches aren’t doing this to, like, coaches want you to become a better player, better athlete. So that’s, that’s why they’re being harsh on you. And once I figured that out, I didn’t take it as personal. And I realized, you know, these guys are just trying to make me improve. So once I realized that, I mean, you, kind of take that criticism, and you let a fuel you, you try to make yourself better, and then not let situations where you’re gonna get yelled at or called out, you got to not let that not put yourself in that situation again. So I know, it helped. It was tremendously effective on me. And I know, I think I said this in my comment, but a lot the coaches that were the hardest on me, and that did push me harder than other coaches have pushed me before, are the coaches that I still keep in touch with, I still talk to him all the time. You know, they’re come into my wedding. You know, I still have great relationships with these coaches, just because of how much they helped me grow, and how much they helped me in my career. So, yeah, I mean, I think that post that you had was was accurate, even though it did cause a little bit of an uproar.
Brett Bartholomew 14:21
But which is fascinating, because, you know, you commented and I’d asked your opinion on it. But then, you know, Pat Chung, who I’ve worked with for a number of years, and as three Super Bowls, he said the same thing. And it’s just kind of like, this is what I mean. And this is the value of having somebody like yourself on a show like this is because coaches and the general public even will debate about this, and I feel like you guys very rarely get to sound off, right? Yeah. And if you do sound off, it’s always taken out of context in some media snippet. And then you guys are vilified where it’s like, you know, like, why don’t you ask your athletes and to me, you can always tell who really coaches because the people that tend to get most sensitive about stuff like that, generally Really don’t coach a lot of folks, or maybe they only coach one demographic. And it’s just not everybody wants a hug, you know?
Henry Anderson 15:08
Yeah, for sure
Brett Bartholomew 15:10
to speak on coaching styles, I’d be interested on this because you intrigue me on this standpoint. And this is another topic that’s debated, is in schools a lot. You know, there’s been a lot of research that talks about learning styles, right? Like, you know, and I’ll talk about, I’ll go in depth here, you say learning styles, and there’s some social psychologists and researchers that will say all these are absolutely not a thing, like, you know, if somebody says they have a learning style, and all you do is coach that learning style, you’re not challenging them to grow, which there’s truth there. But when you look at like athletes, and we look at learning preferences, like whether that’s gender related, whether that’s team sport individuals for whether that’s even, we do notice that there are some folks that tend to learn differently, depending on how they’re shown. So for like, for example, and this is bound to serve some debate, because again, some people really don’t believe these are a thing, which is interesting. But, you know, by and large, there’s like an analytical style, right? So Henry, this would be like when we’re working together, and I show you a drill or scale, and I asked you what the best way like how you’d approach this cut? Yeah, how you’d approach this, right? Like I make you think about it, it’s a problem solving thing. Yeah, there’s visual, right, so let’s use visual, I’m telling you to do a pop, float, skip, and I’m showing it first, there’s auditory or let’s say you’re confused on the tempo, to do like a resisted run March or bound. And I were to like, clap. And then there’s kinesthetic, which is like, hey, Henry, I want you to we’re working on the clean, go through this complex or do this drill and get some reps in, right? Make sense?
Henry Anderson 16:49
Brett Bartholomew 16:50
All right. So like, in your opinion, would you agree? And can you identify like, agree or disagree? And then identify like, do you have learning preferences? Do you find that like, when I’m teaching you or even another coach is teaching, whether it’s a defensive line coach with the jets or other? Do you tend to learn a certain way better than another?
Henry Anderson 17:10
So it’s kind of hard because I feel like I do a little bit of I guess I would be auditory. Yeah, I’m not so much auditory. But I feel like I do. The kinesthetic, the visual and the analytical, I definitely. I feel like I learned well, using those three different ones. And if I’m doing something that I’ve I guess I’ve never done before, the kinesthetic part is is big for me just because as much as I see it, and as I see it demonstrated or hear how to do it, I won’t be able to effectively like Master until obviously you do it. But until I do it myself. So I feel like just getting reps at it. Whether that’s a defensive line technique, or if it’s a lift in the weight room, until I actually perform that, exercise, I won’t be able to learn it. But then I mean, there’s certain things like I know, specifically like watching film. I learn a lot watching film, just seeing like visually seeing certain pass rush moves are different techniques that you guys use on film. So oh, sorry, my dogs barking. I don’t know if you hear that. But yeah, so visual is definitely another thing that that helps me and then analytical. I always feel like I kind of start if I’ve ever learning something new for the first time, I always like to think about, like, why we’re doing this thing, how it applies to football, or just how it applies to me being an athlete in general. And I know, you do a good job of explaining why we do certain movements and how it helps. So that’s always kind of I always kind of approach new things in an analytical way, I guess.
Brett Bartholomew 19:01
No, that’s perfect. And that’s and a lot of what you spoke to there is, you know, the majority of elite athletes, especially male athletes are multimodal, right, like, and I think that’s the thing that like for any of you guys listening, you know, learning preferences are one thing and as a coach, you should never nobody’s ever seen you should cater to just one even if Henry was gonna say, Hey, I’m strongly visual. Of course, you don’t just teach somebody in a visual format like, but it is good to recognize and get to know what tends to click with them better in certain instances, while challenging them and other times and most good coaches are going to address multimodal ways, right? They’re just going to try that out like even Henry, I would imagine even if the roles were reversed, and you were teaching me and it was like let’s say I didn’t get it on my first few reps, you’d likely switch to something else.
Henry Anderson 19:50
Yeah, for sure.
Brett Bartholomew 19:51
And getting an idea of how you kind of analyze that information and that’s what’s made you really fun to coach is you know, a classic kind of adage with with folks To start with why, but I’ve always found that for you, it’s not just about why you really like dissecting the how. And I think that’s what makes you really unique as a defensive lineman to because we’ve talked about this in the past, like, you know, you look at things like the NFL Combine, which I’d be interested in your take, probably aren’t the best indicator of how somebody is going to be as a football player. Because you look at yourself. And it’s funny, guys, if you’re listening to this, Henry will lose his damn mind if we bring out the timing systems or anything, because his times combine, and he’ll just lose it was it was just my God. And I’m like, dude, think of the things you’ve learned in the five years now being in the league like that you as a raw talent, then didn’t know. Yeah. So it’s not always a matter of horsepower. It’s tactical knowledge and how you apply it.
Henry Anderson 20:50
For sure. For sure, yeah. I mean, I guess, for me not being the most prolific athlete. And they’re not the, like I said, not the strongest, biggest, fastest guy in the league. A lot of what I do, and how I can be effective as a football player comes from, like, the analytical side, whether that’s, studying offensive lineman stances, or listening to offensive line calls or listening to quarterback checks and stuff like that. So yeah, a big part, of that, for me is just having to use my brain to try to gain an edge on the offensive, the guys that I’m going against, so, I mean, unless certain guys, I mean, some guys, like, I mean, you see, like Aaron Donald’s and JJ watts, who are just physical freaks, who are also from what I’ve never played with them. But I’ve also heard that they’re very, they do, a lot of the analysis, and they do a lot of studying throughout the week of preparation as well. So they’re not just solely relying on their talent, but there’s definitely guys who are way more athletic than me. And have, you know, just, they’re way more athletic than me, and they can kind of get away with not having to be as analytical. So they can, you know, they can just kind of rely on their raw talent. But for me, I try to get an edge anyway possible.
Brett Bartholomew 22:18
Well, and that speaks to your commitment to the weight room and like, you actually enjoying strength and conditioning and wanna, you know, you’re one of those big guys that loves doing plie O’s. And you’ll train like a skill player, even though you know, your, your body size, and everything that you do is so different. You know, I’m interested in this, you know, coaches again, like, we hear a lot of complaints and excuses about why some people, you know, maybe don’t like the weight room, especially when they get to pro sport and these things, but it’s never quite like what you hear in the locker room, being an athlete, you know, when you’re around whether it was college or pro and, and obviously, you know, you don’t need to use names or anything, but when you hear when you’re around other players that just feel like, you know, this weight room stuffs bullshit, or, you know, like, I don’t really believe in this and like, what is this drill? Like? What are some of the kind of like complaints? Or what do you think are some of the roadblocks that coaches face whenever they’re trying to get athletes to really put effort into the weight room? Like if they’re trying to get their athletes bought in to understanding the importance of training? Like, what do you kind of hear in the background from the guys that don’t really like that? You know, is there a common theme or thread?
Henry Anderson 23:20
Yeah, I mean, I think at this level, usually, you see that mindset, I guess, with some of the younger guys who don’t fully understand the value of what a good training program can do for your body and for your career, but I think it’s a lot of guys don’t, they may complain or just be a little bit like resistant to a training program if they don’t know exactly like what certain movements or certain exercises are training their muscles in their bodies to do. So I guess if a coaches kind of input and you do a good job with this, as well as, our coaches, the Jets, but whenever they’re implementing a new type of movement or exercise in our program, they’re explaining kind of like, what this different movement will help our bodies do whether that’s an explosive type of movement that will help like our quick twitch muscles, or like a heavier type of lift, that’s building just straight lower body or upper body strength, or core strength. And, or if it’s just kind of like a plyometric or any sort of single leg, single leg drill, that’s also helping your balance. And it’s, like, both of you guys do a good job of explaining, you know how this is going to help us improve. So we’re not just going into new things blindly. just trusting that you have our best interests. You’re actually explaining , why this will help us and you know, that I think for me personally, that helps me a lot. lot when I know exactly what an exercise is going to do to help my performance, and then when I get an explanation, I can kind of go into it full steam ahead. And, you know, really try to perfect that because I know you guys are trying to help us improve. So if I can get an exact like explanation of why certain thing is going to help me improve, then I kind of just get a better sense of, you know, what I can do
Brett Bartholomew 23:20
The purpose behind it. That’s really helpful. What, about bad habits that you’ve seen in strength and conditioning? And again, it doesn’t have to be necessarily things that you’ve seen, but you’ve heard about what are things? Consider a younger coach listening to this, and I don’t think it has to be a younger coach, it could be somebody who’s 30 years in the game and just got it rooted, in their ways. What are some things that a strength coach may do automatically, that will almost make you tune out? Like the minute you start, like, you see it, you’re like, really, you know, and whether it’s in the way they explain things, or the nature of what they’re doing? Are there certain things that you think coaches should take note of that? They’re using trust or eroding that buy in?
Henry Anderson 26:11
Yeah, it’s hard. I mean, just because some of the coaches that I’ve worked with recently, I’ve had a lot of respect for, and I’ve done a good job with everything. But I’m trying to think like, I know, one thing that will kind of turn me off is if they’re coaching, although I mean, yeah, I mean, if they’re coaching some guys, and I mean, usually you see this with kind of the better players, I guess. And like I said, I haven’t really experienced this for a long time. But if coaches,
Brett Bartholomew 26:40
It’s just hypothetical
Henry Anderson 26:40
Yeah. But I think, yeah, no, I think it’s like if a coach treats, kind of like the superstar player, in a different way than he does with everybody else, then it just kind of like, Dude, what are you like, come on, like if this and a lot of times, the best players are hard workers. And they’re working their asses off in the weight room, but it’s sometimes like, you may see a guy who is a great player, who, you know, is just kind of taken the day off, or yeah, just not really pushing himself and the coach sees that doesn’t really say anything, that’s just kind of, I don’t know, that’s just, that’s something that, you know, I respect with you. And I know, some of the coaches that I’ve worked with recently have done a good job with is like, they treat each person the same, when they’re in the weight room. And if they’re doing something wrong, like they let them know about it. So, that’s always something, that’s big for me. And then just like, what I was saying earlier, is if they don’t really have attention to if they’re not really like, if they’re not very detail oriented, I guess that that kind of, I don’t know, that always just stands out to me personally, just because I like, if, for me, like doing different exercises and movements in the weight room, I just want like consistency with coaching points and stuff, because I know certain things like certain exercises I do in the weight room require, like very specific, like, I mean, there’ll be very specific coaching points. And I know I’m not doing it perfectly all the time. And I expect like to hear my coach give me like the cues that I need to you know, to do the exercise properly. So if he’s kind of like, if I know I’m doing something wrong, and he’s just kind of letting it slide that just kind of I don’t know that just doesn’t really do it for me, I guess. So it’s just like, being, consistently detail oriented, helps me out a lot. Just because I know they’re always paying attention. They’re knowing they’re analyzing I guess what I’m doing very closely and trying to help me get better. They’re not letting me they’re not letting like little mistakes fly. I’m and not to say like, they’re gonna scrutinize every single little detail in my lift. Like, yeah, for sure. Like, if this dude’s on me, like about every little thing, Am I alright, do chill. Like, it’s I know, it’s not gonna be perfect, but like, at least if I’m doing some big things wrong, like, obviously, let me know. But I don’t need like, Yeah, I mean, like you said, you could definitely it’s kind of a fine line between over coaching and actually doing a good job of pointing out some of the big things that you need to fix. So
Brett Bartholomew 29:32
yeah, and I think you saw that I mean, even when we had a couple of folks dropped by early on this offseason to watch right, like you can kind of get this hint of they want to correct something and then I have to tell them, hey, like, you got to let some things go. You got to pick the big rocks. Yeah. And then fix one thing at a time because I think that’s also an issue and you just spoke to a well, you know, one, you’ve got to be consistent for sure. And I think that goes hand in hand with what you mentioned earlier. You can’t be trying to be friends with the athlete. Especially like, if you perceive somebody to be a stud, which by the way is ironic because fewer than 2% of NCAA student athletes ever go on to be pro. So definition when somebody is trying to like be buddy, buddy with even one of the better athletes, quote, unquote, on a team, like you guys are all anomalies, you’re all anomalies, but like, you know, they’ll try to be buddy buddy with them. And then on the other end, there’s, these people and it usually is, these coaches are almost kind of trying too hard, or they know that you guys want to be watched and you and some of you want to be detail oriented. So they’ll almost tell you if like a hair on your leg is the wrong direction. Yeah, and that just gets more confusing, right, especially for somebody like you, that is highly analytical, could you think deeper.
Henry Anderson 30:43
And then the other day also going off that like, it is annoying when they do, like if a coach just scrutinizes every little detail, but then like, it’s helpful, it’s really helpful to me, or, like, if they never, if they never tell you like good job, or like, that was a really good set, like you did all like this, this and this really well on that set, or like on that movement, that helps a lot just hearing like, positive, I guess reinforcement. Instead of just constantly being told, like, Oh, that was a little bit off, even if you’re making big strides. Like, if I go in the first set of something’s just terrible. I’d like I’d expect to get, you know, coached up on what I can improve. But then if over time I’m making, not like the exercise isn’t perfect, but I’m making big strides, like just hearing positive reinforcement, I know helps me just because I know, I’m improving at least and getting closer to where I need to be. So just Yeah, I mean, not getting, you know, little, I don’t know, it’s just if you get if they get too picky and just try to pick, little things all the time and it’s never perfect in their eyes, then it just kind of gets annoying, and it gets frustrating because you feel like you can never like please the coach and never be perfect enough.
Brett Bartholomew 32:05
Ya know, it’s like, it’s like finding the Goldilocks balance, right? Like, I know, one thing that always drove me nuts as an athlete, and I even as a coach, all kind of, you know, I’ll call myself out on it. If I do it to you guys. I always hated it when a coach would say good job. And it wasn’t followed by anything because it’s like, yeah, got it. What, right? Yeah, for example, I remember when I was first learning how to box, you know, I might, and I was ambidextrous, I could kind of throw both ways. But I’d throw a combo and they’d say, good job. And I’m thinking well, what my jab, my cross? Yeah, like, the way I pivoted and so I’d ask and they’d be like, Man, you think too much? I’m like, No, I’m not thinking. I’m trying to learn. Yeah. And so I think that’s a good lesson for coaches to to understand what Henry is saying. It’s like, you know, find this line between nitpicking but like, also, if you are going to give them praise, like help them learn, because at the end of the day, they should be able to say like, Hey, if they’re doing an RDL, nice job keeping your back flat, well, now Henry can, he knows what that felt like during that rep. So he can register, okay, when I do that my back’s flat or neutral, and that’s where ,
Henry Anderson 33:11
Yeah exactly, yeah. Yeah.
Brett Bartholomew 33:14
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Now you do a lot of education on your own in that regard, like, which, again, is something that makes you unique, is, you know, I know you like reading certain articles. And you’ll you’ll do a lot of stuff outside of that. Where do you seek out most of your information when you’re trying to learn more about whether it’s training or nutrition? I mean, obviously, you’ll use the resources at the jets and subject matter experts. But when you’re just curious, let’s say you’re at home right now, is some bullshit pops up on your feed. And you’re like, I want to learn more about that, like, where do you go?
Henry Anderson 36:47
I always like watching Instagram, like footwork videos is my primary educational tool. That’s always you know, I always try to bring those exercises into our Yeah, I mean, I try to I read a decent bit. And I probably don’t do a great job of, you know, picking the most accurate sources. But like, if there’s certain things like dietary things, or, for me, a lot of it’s like, recovery based stuff that I try to research. And I’ll usually try to find, like, I guess, scientific studies and see if it’s like, you know, if it’s actually, I forget, what is it empirical data, that’s, you know, that’s shown that it’s effective. So, for me, I like to try to find studies like that. You know, if I have usually if I go on to, like, WebMD are just like some, if I try to find some like random source online, and I usually just end up digging myself into a hole and scaring myself just because I read too much into things and like, yeah, man,
Brett Bartholomew 37:56
And you’re like, I have some crazy as well. No, you don’t have necrosis? Yeah, you’re okay. Yeah. But I think it is important that I ask you this, because I do think coaches have a false. This episode is about helping coaches understand like realities, right, like, and I think coaches have a false expectation that this information is really easy for you guys and the rest of the general public to find and listen, like, I’ll be dead honest. You know, I’m a nerd. And some of this research is super boring. And some of it they don’t communicate their point, in a great way. Because a lot of people love to use, you know, as fancy jargon as they can. And you can see that there’s people like, well, people should expand their, you know, their vocabulary for sure. Like people need to put like, people can’t bitch and moan that athletes like yourself follow bad advice at times. If the reality is we’re not making it easier. We’re being like the professionals that know this information, to like, get it to you. And I mean, like that, we’ve talked about this, this is why I’m on Instagram, and YouTube now is like, I’m trying to combat that shit. And I know that that’s like it or not, that’s where people go, like you’re not Yeah, have access to like, The Journal of Strength and Conditioning, you’re not going to have access to, you know, the Journal of Applied Physiology. So we’ve got to meet you halfway.
Henry Anderson 39:15
Yeah. And that’s like, I kind of take the same approach with I mean, for me, usually, if I do research something or I’ve questions about something, I’ll look at it online, and then I’ll try to based on like my research, I’ll ask if it’s like strength and conditioning related, I’ll ask usually you or somebody in that field, and if it’s like nutrition, I know your wife does a lot of nutritional stuff. So or she is a nutritionist, but I’ll ask either you’d ask her or my brother’s girlfriend is a nutritionist, and obviously we have a nutritionist, here at the jets that I get asked a lot of questions too, but yeah, I mean, usually I’ll look online and I’ll research some stuff. phone line and then ask them kind of what I found. And if that’s accurate or not, just because that way, I can at least do some research on my own instead of having like just pestering them with questions and doing it that way. So I try to do that, as best I can.
Brett Bartholomew 40:16
Yeah. And so within that, when we’re talking about facts and data and research, you know, a big talking point has been how data and sport science and all this is taken over and in a lot of different sports, but especially a huge paradigm shift in the NFL, you know, for you. What impact has this sport science almost kind of like overload had on you? Was there ever a time where you were kind of really worried about like, Hey, why are they measuring this? Or why is all this data? And like, what are they doing with this? Or for the most part, have the organizations that you’ve been a part of really been transparent and helping you understand why they’re capturing all the data that they are?
Henry Anderson 40:57
Yeah, I mean, I still, like a lot of these teams. Use like, the catapult system, and I don’t, I still don’t know exactly like everything that they look at on there. But like, you know, the catapult like, the it’s the little like, Tracker thing, and I guess it tracks like, top speed and the you know, workload and all that stuff. So I don’t really pay attention too much to that just because there’s a lot more like important things that I have to focus on. I kind of like actually working on like my technique, because usually all the sports science stuff we do I feel like, is mostly like on the field and not as much in the weight room, I guess. I don’t know, I could be wrong about that. Because I just don’t really pay attention to it that much. But yeah, for me, like, actually, I like I said, I don’t pay too much attention to it, just because I try to work on you know, my technique and like, my actual performance, instead of like, looking at the numbers from, I guess, the analysis,
Brett Bartholomew 42:13
but when they do communicate with you, like when Jimmy Neutron does take the data, like, you know, do you guys meet with them? Or, you know, is there a time? Where do you find that they, for the most part, are able to communicate that data clearly? Or is it something that, like you said, you just really don’t pay that much attention to you’ll take it, as it comes. But ultimately, you try not to let because I mean, I’ll throw some dirt here. I remember why I brought out the Brower timing system, like you’re not you know, and like, that’s common, right? Like, it’s not just for anybody that, like it is common, at least in the time that I’ve worked with NFL athletes, which is over eight years. Now. You know what, like, they don’t always want to see those numbers. Because again, like you tend to compare yourself to previous versions of yourself. And, when they’re taken out of context, that’s trouble, right? Like we were doing, just to give listeners some Insight one day, just from a competitive standpoint, a personal competitive standpoint, we’re doing some contrast type acceleration work where, you know, we’re doing heavy heavy push sled, let’s call it five yards, followed by, you know, five to 10 yard sprint with a browser, I think we did 10. And, you know, four out of five of those trials, you ran faster than your initial control time. But that last one still kind of messed with you. How long did that stay in your head? Even though you were only slower? Only slower on the second to last one, but it like screwed you the rest of the time?
Henry Anderson 43:39
Yeah, I mean, it was. I think what I guess why I don’t pay as much attention to the numbers now is because I just moved so much like, I’ve been in the league for, I just finished my fourth season, and my body just doesn’t move as well as it used to. So like, when I see the actual numbers and stuff, it’s a little depressing, knowing what I used to be able to do, I guess,
Brett Bartholomew 44:01
But weren’t as good of a football player.
Henry Anderson 44:03
That’s true, that’s true, but it does help. Like, I know when we’ll do like the jump mat, or if we do, you know, the timers and stuff like that it does help to see like improvement and when you explain like how I can improve the time or the height of the jumps, or you know like if we’re using the tendo how I can improve like the speeds on the tendo that always helps a lot. So I think there is a time and a place for that for sure. And it does kind of keep you motivated and keep you going when you’re doing things like that.
Brett Bartholomew 44:39
But if there is a way that like a coach could reduce an athlete’s anxiety about that say they’re going to start measuring something for the very first time and they kind of know like, you know, because I know when I pick that stuff up on my job, but here we go, you know, what could it coach do to it, like lower the anxiety and just keep athletes focused? Especially for somebody like you like I Remember when the jump mat clearly showed that I jumped higher than? You know you went home? Because you’re trying to tell your wife? How you were less than a man?
Henry Anderson 45:08
Yeah, I went bought a verta Max and I was using the verta max for two weeks straight after that.
Brett Bartholomew 45:15
No, but is there something that you think just the average coach could do? Let’s say, and it let’s take you out of the equation, but let’s imagine there is somebody that just kind of nervous they’re in their own head. What how could a coach be better at at kind of presenting that stuff?
Henry Anderson 45:27
I mean, if he’s working with like, if they’re working with multiple see, but I think I feel like it could work both ways here. But like, if they’re working with a group of athletes, and they’re all doing the same sort of drill, being timed on like the same thing, and you’re hearing like a bunch of different guys, like beat your time. Like, if he’s yelling out the times and stuff that can be a little
Brett Bartholomew 45:56
Henry Anderson 45:57
Yeah, deflating is a good word. But yeah, so I mean, I guess just keeping it focused on it. First, you like just focusing on your own times, and like not hearing what everybody else is doing. But I guess as you like, progress, and as like, the longer you do that drill or that exercise, and the better you get at it, and like everyone’s kind of more comfortable doing it, then you can kind of I feel like yelling out times or yelling out speeds or stuff like that. It kind of helps you compete against each other a little bit. But when you’re first introducing it, I think it’s probably it probably helps for me if I don’t hear that everyone’s beating that everyone’s beat a man. I’m like the slowest, most unathletic guy in the room.
Brett Bartholomew 46:45
I love it. Alright, here’s a couple. as we wrap up, because I know your time is valuable. I’m probably gonna get an invoice from your agent. Just a couple a couple rapid fire questions just for fun, right? So don’t worry about thinking too much about these favorite exercise.
Henry Anderson 47:01
Are we being serious here?
Brett Bartholomew 47:02
No, I mean like 100% I want , like, if it is a bicep curl, like which you love. Just be honest.
Henry Anderson 47:11
Honestly, my favorite, you’ve probably already know the answer to this. It’s not the bicep curl. And it’s not the tricep kickback either. No. It’s probably I mean, my favorites probably that’s it’s still probably the single leg. The single leg hops at the stadium stairs. For some reason. That thing just yeah, that
Brett Bartholomew 47:36
audience about that. So they know.
Henry Anderson 47:38
Yeah, I mean, so we would do. It was a lot last offseason because we were in a high school stadium training and they had the big stadium stairs that they can like run up. Yeah, there were a for I don’t know how they were probably up to my like knee like the stairs were probably as high as like my knees or
Brett Bartholomew 47:57
around their yards like in width
Henry Anderson 47:59
Yeah. So I mean, just we would do single leg like lateral hops, where we jump up laterally, and just single like one at a time where we jump up land and then drop back down. Like keep jumping up like switch legs. And then we’d also do it where you just do continuous like bounce on single leg bounce up the up the stadium stairs.
Brett Bartholomew 48:23
Down, you know the difference between a hop and a bounce.
Henry Anderson 48:25
Brett Bartholomew 48:26
Henry Anderson 48:28
So that was I don’t know, I think just for me, and the way I move that was really helpful for me, because, I’ve had some knee surgeries in my career and just doing explosive movements like that single leg. explosive movements like that helped me out a ton. So I think that’s still my favorite. Yeah, it was kind of a long winded answer for what was supposed to be a short answer,
Brett Bartholomew 48:50
Though, just to give everybody insight of how many how much he bust my balls, though. So, you know, even though we train a facility that’s got an indoor turf and a full weight room and whatever, you know, and even though we can still do like a lateral hop to hurdles and POCs like we can even load the boxes up so sequentially get higher and higher. This dude wanted to rip me because he was like, Yo, what are we going back to those stadiums? Like brother lateral hops, perceptions reality. One artists, if you had to listen to one artists in the weight room, like in the rest of your career, the only time you go in you can only listen to this dude who is or sorry, if it’s Cardi B that you know.
Henry Anderson 49:32
It would be probably YG
Brett Bartholomew 49:34
don’t come to LA Yeah. Yeah, karaoke on that game day routine. That really helps you get your mind right, like something that like, if you didn’t get the opportunity to do this, you can still perform but you’d kind of be a little mind. You know, effed in the head.
Henry Anderson 49:54
Yeah, I mean, I for me, hot tubbing is big and it always is kind of mindfuck me when a lot of times, it’ll play games, they don’t have to have like, it’s not a hot tub. It’s like lukewarm water in the tub. And it doesn’t do it for me. So that always kind of gets me a little pissed off before the games and we’re playing an away game and they don’t have like actual hot water in the hot tubs. So yeah, but I mean, when we play at home, we’ve got a great hot tub. So that’s big for me. And then also like, I always kind of have to take my I always double up my caffeine dosage before the games and then before every kickoff I have to do smelling salts and spray my head with like cold water just kind of
Brett Bartholomew 50:43
You’re not joking.
Henry Anderson 50:44
No, yeah, I do that
Brett Bartholomew 50:47
from the program?
Henry Anderson 50:53
It’s, usually like one of the things I’ll probably remember this like for the rest of my life, just because it’s always, it always just kind of makes me realize like how lucky I am. But like, I’ll, like I said, I’ll give myself a double dose of caffeine that I’ll take like, probably 15 20 minutes before the game starts. And when we’re in the locker room, and then I’ll come out on the field and the music will they’ll be blaring music before kickoff and stuff. And then so I’m already kind of geeked and my skin’s dangling from the caffeine and then I’ll take the smelling salts like that obviously wakes you way up. And then even if it’s like a cold like freezing cold outside, I’ll spray my head with water. And that always just wakes me up even more so I’ve got like caffeine pumping through my veins like skins dangling. And then I got smelling salts and like the cold water it just like I don’t know. And then there’s obviously like, there’s always like the music’s blaring and like, the crowd screaming so that’s always like a pretty cool feeling like right before the game. Yeah.
Brett Bartholomew 51:56
I feel like this is any given Sunday where the guy brings a crocodile into the shower. Yeah. I’m just glad that you weren’t like, Hey, I bring in a shaman and he starts a small controlled burn in the corner and it just starts getting weird. Yeah, hey, man, Your Honor.
Henry Anderson 52:12
One of my one of my pregame routines that didn’t last very long was we would like just slap each other in the face as hard as we could. And we did that for about two preseason games. And then we’re like yeah, let’s not do that anymore. It was me and one of my D line? One of my guys on my D line Leo. So we did that for a couple games and then we’re like yeah, I think that’s not gonna last very long. So let’s just cut that out.
Brett Bartholomew 52:38
See what’s funny is right now a strength coach or a sports scientist to sit here like looking up research and he’s like, this guy’s arousal levels are too high. You guys got to do it again. You basically you know you do the State Farm Can I get a hot tub? Before a game you take smelling salts you spray some hot water you slap the shit out of each other to this is all to get amped up. What I’m scared to ask this next one. What do you do to decompress like when you know that like you gotta learn games over time to bring this back down and deregulate. I mean, what do you do? Do you go away for 10 days in Bora Bora. What do you do here?
Henry Anderson 53:19
No. Know we I usually I’ll just go crush food after the game. Usually. I’ll probably I usually try to just watch film of the game right after I’ll watch it once or twice, like right when I get home and then just play video games. Try to get my mind off football
Brett Bartholomew 53:38
There you go and that’s a big talking point right now too. I was just at a conference that was talking about like, how social media is no longer quote unquote the biggest distraction with athletes now all these teams are are fretting about athletes playing fortnight and video. Yeah, and staying up so late. I mean, how is that reality in your life? Are you able to like it’s a barrier?
Henry Anderson 53:58
It’s definitely like, it can be hard. I mean, it depends on like, what game I won’t get too much into detail.
Brett Bartholomew 54:05
No by all means get into detail.
Henry Anderson 54:07
It’s like, I mean, depending on what game you’re playing, especially like with games like fortnight, and there’s games like pub G, and there’s different games like that where you’re playing with a group of friends. It can be hard to like, just stop playing. I always try to get eight hours asleep at least like especially during the season, just because of how important getting a good night’s sleep is but when you’re playing with three year buddies, and it’s a highly competitive game, and they’re all like just working regular jobs or whatever and they’re staying up till I don’t know two or 3am playing video games and you need to get off and you tell my guys this my last game I gotta get to bed like and it’s like 10 o’clock and they’re like, Dude, it’s 10 o’clock like what do you doin’? It’s I don’t know, he just be hard to like, stop playing I especially I mean, even without other people telling you like the tea plan, like we’re on a hot streak, we’ve won like three games in a row. You can’t stop playing now. I don’t know. It’s still hard just because video games are competitive. And if, I mean, if you’re an athlete playing video games, like, you’re naturally just like a competitive person. I feel like so. Yeah, it’s just like, it can be hard to just like, put the game down. Especially, I mean, for me, it’s, for me, if I’m losing, and I’m getting my ass beat. It can be really hard. Yeah. Because like, I’ll be playing like, right now I’m playing FIFA, the like, soccer game. And I can go and like, sometimes I’ll just be, I just won’t have it that day. And I’ll just be losing game after game. And it’s just the most frustrating thing. And I can’t like, whenever I’m playing that games, specifically, like I can’t end on a loss, because I just can’t go to bed having like, gotten my ass beat. So like, but there are times when I’m like, I just can’t win a game. Like, I just can’t do it. And sometimes I’ll just have to put, I’ll be like, God, I, it’s, I can’t lose this game and like, go to bed I like I have done on a win. But sometimes
Brett Bartholomew 56:12
you might have a little bit of a problem here, Henry,
Henry Anderson 56:13
I know, I think I do.
Brett Bartholomew 56:16
136 kilogram men sitting around fraggin noobs. You know, whatever video game nomenclature is, you know? So but here’s the question. You know, what could coaches in the performance side of things or coaches in general? What could they do to help regulate this better? You know, or is it? Or is it something that you just feel like, Hey, yo, my coach could say, whatever the hell they want, I’m gonna find a way to play games, because this is kind of what brings me, to that level of downregulation.
Henry Anderson 56:49
I mean, I think it’s the I think the only thing that really needs to be like regulated is like the getting the just putting it like turning off your, Xbox or Playstation and getting like a good night’s sleep. I mean, I think outside of like getting enough, I think it’s, like video games are good for, especially like athletes, probably like the collegiate and professional levels, because it keeps them from like, I mean, if you’re not playing video games, you could be just going out, like blowing money, getting into trouble and stuff like that. Whereas like, if you’re playing video games, you’re just sitting at home, like, playing video games not doing anything. So I mean, in that, respect, I guess it’s a good thing. But I don’t know, it’s hard to you’re asking the wrong guy. If you’re asking for coaching points on how to regulate like,
Brett Bartholomew 57:40
it’s good. I mean, like,, it’s like gone. On our end. We hear people pontificate about this endlessly, like, What could be done? What can be done? I don’t think many of them are asking the athletes enough, right? Yes. Why? That’s hopefully the value of this podcast is, you know, I know you think it’s you and me. But the reality is, is 1000s of coaches can listen to this and, get better insight into I mean, you’re one of the most, whether you perceive yourself like this or not, you’re one of the most elite athletes on the planet to a plate as long as you are in the NFL in which less than 2% of you know, collegiate athletes ever get to let alone the general population, right. And so, just kidding, I’m a big believer, obviously, and I’m biased because I wrote a book and it but if you’re going to be a more effective coach, you need to understand your audience and the athletes that you’re working with. So if it is me, and like, I gotta get inside the head of a slap dick, like you, you know, like, that’s why, you know, you’re also one of the most self aware athletes I’ve ever worked with, you know, you’re somebody that by and large, even though you value coaching, which sets you apart, you know, you’re somebody that even if he didn’t have it, you’d find a way to get that outside information. And I think that that’s there are a lot of athletes that won’t do that. Right? They just they love the game. But they want to collect their paycheck, they don’t want to be bothered. And that’s kind of that, you know, yeah, you are somebody that’s got a growth mindset. And so it is interesting to hear your perspective.
Henry Anderson 59:06
Yeah. I guess the only thing that I think helps me, like, be able to put down a game and get a good night’s sleep is I mean, you just see all the time, like how the studies have shown like the effect of like, the reaction time, I forget the exact studies, but it always stands out. Like I’ll see posters on the wall where just little snippets posted on bulletin boards, where it’s like eight plus hours asleep has this effect on your reaction time, or on like, strength gains or certain things like that, like that always kind of always comes back to me when I’m getting my ass beat by a 13 year old at 9:30 and I’ve got to get to bed at 10 o’clock. So that still always sticks out to me. effect that like sleep can have
Brett Bartholomew 59:59
Those kinds of facts being right in front of your face of knowing how much your reaction time is gonna get screwed there. Yeah, yeah, no, it makes sense. Well do listen. I appreciate you coming on. I appreciate you having fun and being candid and offering your perspective. You didn’t have to do this and I know you just got done with practice not that long ago, man. So you know, where are you on social media? Is there any way people can follow you? Or are you one of those guys that you know not really know the answer to this, but I just
Henry Anderson 1:00:28
Not a big social media guy.
Brett Bartholomew 1:00:31
But you tried to be Don’t lie. You tried to be a picture of your boots on Instagram.
Henry Anderson 1:00:39
Yeah, I mean, I’m not the biggest Instagram just kind of to like lazy to be posted. I don’t really have a very my life’s not the very exciting life. So I don’t really post too much. So, I mean, you can follow me, you can follow me if you want. You’re just not gonna get a lot of content. So, yeah,
Brett Bartholomew 1:01:00
Henry, How about this? Can you tell because there’s an international audience here too. And there’s people that probably are too lazy to Google in some respect. What number are you Henry so they can tune in on Sundays and watch you do your thing?
Henry Anderson 1:01:11
Just look for the white guy on the Jets defense and that’s me I’m number 96. I’m like well we actually do have like I think one or two other white guys on defense now so
Brett Bartholomew 1:01:24
you’ve made it man you’ve made alright man Well, I appreciate you again guys. If you enjoyed this episode, please let me know make sure to share it with other people and again, your your ratings and your honest reviews on iTunes or Spotify or any of that hope this really this series and everything we’re trying to do with the art of coaching podcast reach more people, so I know you’re all busy. But if you could just take two to three seconds to leave a review, leave a rating tell a friend tell five. We’d appreciate it and Henry, I’ll see you soon. We gotta get back to work.
Henry Anderson 1:01:52
Yes, sir. Appreciate you